Gwinnett County, where I live, has passed a no-smoking ban. This will go into effect in April and is causing quite a bit of consternation with some local businesses.
Gwinnett Outlaws Indoor Smoking
Lawrenceville, Ga. (AP) -- Gwinnett County commissioners unanimously approved a broad indoor smoking ban on Tuesday.The regulation covers virtually all buildings, public and private, except for smoke shops, private homes and designated smoking rooms in motels or inns.
The law, which makes no exemptions for restaurants or bars, will go into effect in two to three months.
It does not exempt restaurants and bars. Excuse me? Let me read that again. "makes no exemptions for restaurants or bars"
What the hell are they smoking? Since it's obviously not cigarettes I can think of only one thing. Note that this does not mean that a bar can allow smoking in a smoking section, or a restaurant in a separate room with special ventilation. It means that there will be no smoking in bars and restaurants, period.
This is a huge hit on the establishments that are affected by it. What will happen here is that people who go out clubbing are not going to be going out clubbing in Gwinnett. Smokers do not want to go out to their cars when they're out drinking and dancing. Guys watching the game at the local pub do not want to step outside for a cig. People tend to go out in groups and these groups of people are going to tend to go outside of Gwinnett for their entertainment. Gwinnett businesses will suffer because of this ordinance.
The only credit I can give to the people who drafted this travesty is that they do not seem to be holding businesses culpable if people smoke on the premises. They are targetting the actual smokers themselves.
Any person who violates the ordinance would be fined $50 for the first violation, $75 for a second and $100 for each subsequent violation within one year.
But how is this going to work? If I'm down at Wild Bill's and I light up a smoke is somebody going to call the cops on me? Is a cop going to respond to an emergency call that somebody is having a cigarette? Does the cop have to see you smoking in order to ticket you? Remember that this isn't a criminal act, it would be a citation for violating an ordinance. Is a cop going to ticket me when it's my word against a third party's?
But all of that crap is secondary to the problems that this thing will cause for local businesses. Although the legislators poo-poo the idea that it will hurt any establishment it looks like it already has, even before it's been implemented.
Owner says smoking ban a factor in closing bar
It doesn’t go into effect for four months, but the smoking ban may have already had its first casualty.Slocum’s, a Peachtree Corners establishment that had hosted live bands and neighborhood tavern clientele for 17 years closed its doors after a New Year’s Eve party.
This ban will only be effective in unincorporated areas of the county, actual cities within the county are not affected. Of course, the vast majority of bars and nightclubs in Gwinnett do not reside within incorporated areas of the county. In any case, cities within the county are expected to enact bans of their own in the near future.
Following Gwinnett's passage of a no-smoking ordinance Tuesday, several cities in the county are contemplating similar laws."We talked about it three or four months ago," said Lilburn Mayor-elect Jack Bolton. "I expect now we'll revisit it."
Bolton, who is on the Lilburn City Council, said he felt then that it would put Lilburn restaurants at a competitive disadvantage if the county didn't do it.
Bolton needs a severe cranio-rectal reduction. How in the world could you think of it as a competitive disadvantage when you refrain from restricting businesses? Right now, at this very moment, any restaruant or bar could adopt a non-smoking policy. If they thought that they would make money by doing so they would have. None have. Why? Because they lose money by doing so. Many restaurants have separate smoking rooms with specialized air handling. These places get more custom than restaurants without such facilities. Why? Because they appeal to smokers and non-smokers alike.
Legislators need to get their stinking paws off the backs of our businesses. Let the customers decide and let them vote with their dollars. Let businesses work out what is best for them by working out what is preferred by their customers. For heaven's sake, let capitalism work!
UPDATE: Clancy weighs in on the subject. He's up in Delaware where the entire state has a similar ban.
No offence to non-smokers but a bar where I will not be allowed to smoke,I will not go to.Just as much as a non-smoker has the right to a smoke free area,does a smoker have the right for a smoking area.Its rediculous to tell bar owners they can't allow smoking since it is a freaking privatly owned business and no public place.
Bill Gentry,who ownes Wild Bills here,is going against the no-smoking law.He spent THOUSANDS to install a superficial smoking filter just to hear now that he cannot permit smoking anymore.And honestly....Wild Bills filtration is so excellent that even on crowded days (the dance floor alone fits 5000 people) you do not even notice people smoking there!Go BILL GENTRY!
Screw those idiot laws!
One of the loopholes that they tried to use in Delaware was to make the bars and restaurants "Private" clubs since the ban went against "Public" buildings. Long story short, it didn't fly.
But, looking over the articles links, they are exempting "Smoke Shops." Perhaps Wild Bill's answer (and others) is to add a smoke shop to his business.
That or get busy building outside decks...
How does an outside deck work in winter? It pretty much has to be enclosed at that point in order to retain heat and that makes it an enclosed public space, ergo no smoking.
Good point. One place downtown (which just went out of business) added an awning and outdoor heaters over the protected center courtyard of their building. Other places try to do a similar thing.
One restaurant/bar just down the block has their deck totally enclosed (I ate there yesterday - on the deck) with canvas and clear vinyl windows but I don't think they allow smoking (I've never seen anyone) so, yeah, it defeats the purpose.
For the most part, I know a lot of people who have quit or are trying to quit since the ban. I doubt that the ban had a DIRECT impact on their decision to quit, but it probably had some effect. Let's face it; you look pretty stupid outside a nightclub, shivering to feed your habit.
Gwinnett businesses will suffer because of this ordinance.
I see the authorities in Gwinnett have met Mayor Laura Miller of Dallas . . . except even Dallas' ordinance allows an exemption for bars that make less than 70% of their sales through food.
But those business WILL suffer. Mark and I used to hang out a couple nights a week at a TGIF in north central Dallas. That place was always packed to the gills. It attracted a lot of regulars.
We don't go there anymore, obviously. Now the bartenders from that store are all moving to other TGIF's, including the non-Dallas one we visit now. I've seen three of them from the Dallas store, and they all cite the same reason for bailing: it's a ghost town. No business.
I don't imagine it will be long before it's closed completely.
Here's what I want to know: If bans on smoking don't hurt the restaurant/bar business, and if nonsmoking facilities are in such demand by consumers, why don't more restaurants and bars ever choose to ban voluntarily?
Whenever the government has to use force like this, it's a sure sign that they are not, in fact, serving the will of the people.
But we knew that already. Sigh.
Uh, "those businessES." Doh.
My city passed a similar ban, although with the exception that restaurants with separate enclosed rooms for smoking could carry on. Still, quite a few restaurants who couldn't or wouldn't spring for the "separate but equal" law of the 90's have gone out of business...
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